Loc: Pennsylvania, USA
I was talking to some hunters that use FMJ bullets to hunt predators....This was not in Pa but in New York State...They shoot the coyotes with FMJ bullets. Just punches a hole in them and it's does get them. Here in Pa we can hunt at night... We like to use ammo that anchors the predator. If the animal has a death run kind of hard to find it right at the spot where you shot it at night time. So I do not like to use FMJ....If I used them it would be in the daytime. Probably the field would have to be a dirt field so you could find the animal aftet the death run. I don't even know if it's legal in Pa to use FMJ bullets for hunting??????
Anyone use FMJ and or FMJ reduced loads so not to blow up the fur? What is your opinion of FMJ for coyote hunting?
Edited by Uncle_Buck (09/09/0912:40 AM)
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My opinion is that aside from their poor terminal ballistics, they are also quite prone to ricochet. That's not a good thing. Especially in cattle country. The landowners will frequently ask what kind of bullets you are using before they give permission in my stomps.
It's wrong. You know it's wrong, for the reasons you state. At full velocity, it's a crap shoot whether hydrostatic shock will rip the animal ot he will run off like an arrow passed through him. And, if it failed to hit a vital area, there could be very little blood, to track him down. FMJ bullets are generally less accurate, not held to precison standards as are match bullets or varmint bullets. etc. etc.
I have a ranching buddy that used FMJs for coyotes. After losing 15 or more coyotes this year, I told him that I wouldn't take him calling anymore, till he got more lethal bullets. Every one of them ran off like an arrow pass, as Leonard said above. They have no place in a hunting situation of any sort.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't FMJ bullets designed to wound and NOT to kill in a battlefield situation? The reasoning behind it is that a wounded soldier requires two other soldiers to get him to safety and medical attention. Thereby effectively taking three men out of the fight with one bullet...
Why anyone would even consider using an FMJ for hunting is completely beyond me...
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The Geneva Convention decreed that only non-expanding (FMJ) bullets be used in military combat. It was a humanitarian move much like the ban on certain deadly gas weapons. It has nothing to do with taking 3 combat soldiers out of action.
Some states do not allow FMJ on game animals.
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Did some searching on this topic. From several sources on net:
History The first full-metal-jacket rifle bullet to be adopted for a military rifle was designed by Major Rubin, director of the Swiss Laboratory at Thun in 1883. FMJ ammunition is acceptable for military use by the countries that signed the Hague Convention of 1899, which prohibits the use of hollow-point or expanding bullets in war between the countries which signed that agreement. It is often incorrectly stated that the prohibition is part of the Geneva Conventions. It is also a common misconception that full metal jacket bullets are specifically required by the Hague Convention; they are not.
Advantages & disadvantages for military use:
Because FMJ bullets do not expand, they are more effective at piercing armor. They are more durable and withstand rough handling on the battlefield. Their rounded tips permit proper transit up the feed ramp, whereas the usage of hollow point bullets can cause failures to feed.
Disadvantages Because FMJ bullets do not expand, they are less likely to stop an enemy combatant immediately compared to hollow-point bullets. This can be a problem for soldiers at close range because the bullet will go straight through the enemy, wounding them, but not killing them or dropping them instantly. Hunters are, in some locations, not allowed to use FMJ rounds due to their perceived limited stopping power and propensity to ricochet.
I was incorrect in stating that FMJs were specifically designed to take three men out of the fight. Reckon it just kinda worked out that way in reality, since they stink at killing outright...
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